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Post by Eyalan on Aug 1, 2006 6:21:59 GMT -5
It is said that Sam left to Valinor as well... but how?
The ship Frodo was on was the last ship. And Legolas and Gimli went quite late with their own ship. I don't think Sam's lifespan would be that long to last until they left. Does anyone know more about that?
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Post by Erana on Aug 1, 2006 6:32:21 GMT -5
All I know is that after Rosie died, he and Elanor went to the Tower Hills and there he is last seen. But it is said that he himself built a ship and sailed over to Valinor...
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 1, 2006 8:01:09 GMT -5
So Sam actually build a ship by himself and sailed alone? Awww...  |
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Post by Elnimara on Aug 1, 2006 23:24:53 GMT -5
Wow, considering how much Sam hated boats, that was very brave and great of him!
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Post by Haldir on Aug 1, 2006 23:49:28 GMT -5
But I thought that one can only get to Valinor by the means of a specially made Elven ship..
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 2, 2006 2:29:56 GMT -5
Thank you Haldir! To be honest, I find it rather hard to believe that Sam build a ship on his own, at old age. He is brave enough, but that's a little too brave, right?
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Post by Erana on Aug 2, 2006 2:56:00 GMT -5
Yes, it really is! But I wonder where he would get an elven ship from...
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 2, 2006 3:13:14 GMT -5
I think it's a gap in the story...
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Post by Haldir on Aug 2, 2006 6:06:34 GMT -5
He has to have done it in the Fourth Age, because Rosie can't have died in the Third Age .... because it had just ended after Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf and the Elves went to Valinor. But at the start of the Fourth Age, Valinor disappeared beyond all our knowledge, so Sam could not have got to it.
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Post by Erana on Aug 2, 2006 6:51:19 GMT -5
Okay, I've got something for you:
1482 - Death of Mistress Rose, wife of Master Samwise, on Midyear's Day. On September 22 Master Samwise rides out from Bag End. He comes to the Tower Hills, and is last seen by Elanor, to whom he gives the Red Book, afterwards kept by the Fairbairns. Among them the tradition is handed down from Elanor that Samwise passed the Towers and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over the Sea, last of the Ring-bearers.
This is a quote from the LotR Appendices.
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 2, 2006 13:53:05 GMT -5
Ya I know that quote, thanks for sharing that with all of us, Erana But that still doesn't say much about the ship he went with, or the crew on board. That leaves us with just our own imagination I guess  Since this is the only piece that says sómething about his departure. |
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Post by Haldir on Aug 2, 2006 14:08:11 GMT -5
It could be that he himself passed away and he was brought instantly to Valinor?
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 2, 2006 14:52:47 GMT -5
The quote does leave some room for such a theory, Haldir.
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Post by Haldir on Aug 4, 2006 18:40:50 GMT -5
Yeah ... the only thing I don't like about Tolkien's books is that there are MANY cliff-hangers that cannot be filled in *sigh*
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Post by Miluiel Greenleaf on Aug 13, 2006 12:24:12 GMT -5
Perhaps he left with Legolas?
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