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Post by Haldir on Aug 13, 2006 12:27:23 GMT -5
Oooh okay nevermind ... I read somewhere a while ago and it said that Sam's was the last ship to sail to Valinor after Rosie died. He went to Valinor and was reunited with Frodo ... then after that, Valinor "vanished" out of all knowledge and thus began the Fourth Age.
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Post by Miluiel Greenleaf on Aug 13, 2006 12:43:05 GMT -5
Oooh. Didn't know that. I was just spewing theories...
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Post by Haldir on Aug 13, 2006 12:48:17 GMT -5
LOL yeah i know ... there's still aLOT to be theorized when it comes to Tolkien's writings ;D
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 13, 2006 22:54:36 GMT -5
Nice theory, but unfortunately it can't be right. Legolas left after Aragorn's death. And since he was a Dúnedain, Aragorn lived far longer then any hobbit could ever live (except for Gollum ofcourse).
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Post by Miluiel Greenleaf on Aug 14, 2006 14:19:47 GMT -5
Yes, but you could hardly call Gollum a hobbit after his shocking little transformation.
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Post by Haldir on Aug 14, 2006 17:05:13 GMT -5
^that's very true ... and he had the Ring too, Eyalan  Nice theory, but unfortunately it can't be right. Legolas left after Aragorn's death. And since he was a Dúnedain, Aragorn lived far longer then any hobbit could ever live (except for Gollum ofcourse). Perhaps I was wrong then. Samwise journeyed to Valinor in September in the year 61 of the Fourth Age. I misread ... no harm in that I suppose then Legolas and Gimli were the last to arrive in Valinor because Legolas passed over in the year 120 of the Fourth Age, unless anyone can tell me who arrived after them? |
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Post by Miluiel Greenleaf on Aug 15, 2006 10:27:38 GMT -5
^Thank you!  I thought Legolas sailed after Gimli died? |
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Post by Eyalan on Aug 16, 2006 6:19:42 GMT -5
^Thank you! I thought Legolas sailed after Gimli died? I've got some good news for you: They sailed together!  Gimli was the only dwarf that could ever sail to Valinor and he did. Together with his dear friend Legolas. |
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Post by Haldir on Aug 17, 2006 20:36:47 GMT -5
Yeah lol ... that was in the HoME *cough* (History of Middle-earth) ;D
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Post by Tar-Amon on Oct 3, 2006 11:23:13 GMT -5
Gimli was apparently permitted because of the love he had for Galadriel, and she, being great among the wise, obtained that grace for him. He would still die, and so would the hobbits, because they do, but he would have been there quite a while.
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Post by Ineril on Oct 20, 2006 18:00:42 GMT -5
Perhaps a bit off topic, but reading Tar-Amons' reply, I wonder how old dwarves usually get to be. Ideas anyone?
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Post by TrueNarnian on Oct 21, 2006 18:33:48 GMT -5
Hmm..Maybe..like 'round 100 or something
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Post by Miluiel Greenleaf on Oct 22, 2006 12:29:17 GMT -5
^Thank you! I thought Legolas sailed after Gimli died? I've got some good news for you: They sailed together! Gimli was the only dwarf that could ever sail to Valinor and he did. Together with his dear friend Legolas. Oh that's good!!! |
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Post by Eyalan on Oct 23, 2006 4:57:55 GMT -5
I thought dwarves got older then 100, but I have no idea what age exactly.
My theory is based on the fact that Gimli and Legolas sailed over after King Elessar's death. He died in the year 120 (Fourth Age). So Gimli must have been at least 160 years old by then.
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