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Post by lasseg on Jan 24, 2007 19:17:02 GMT -5
^ What she said. ;D
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jan 24, 2007 21:18:07 GMT -5
^Not quite as smelly as a full Man. so how can u say that bout Lúthien if u cant say that about Arwen ? |
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Post by lasseg on Jan 24, 2007 23:00:35 GMT -5
That was more about the wrinkles. And she'd still be a smelly human, just not as smelly as someone that was born human. ;D
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jan 25, 2007 14:14:02 GMT -5
But Aragorn ain't a full-human 'cause his mother was a elf-maiden.
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Post by lasseg on Jan 25, 2007 20:40:15 GMT -5
*blink* I wasn't aware Gilraen was an elf...Are you sure about that?
As far as I knew, Aragorn's claim to elvish blood came from his being descended from Elros, Elrond's brother, and the line of Numenor....
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jan 25, 2007 22:55:54 GMT -5
My bad...im not so knownledge-ish on the manish stuff of the 2nd-3rd age only on the 1st age
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Post by lasseg on Jan 26, 2007 13:00:03 GMT -5
I could be wrong, I'm not an expert by any means. I'll have to ask around or sift through the books to see for sure. But the bloodline index in the Unfinished Tales of Numenor & Middle Earth just lists her as Gilraen, no parents, etc.
So, in theory, I guess it's possible that she was elven, since Tolkien only traced the male lineage...
This is gonna bug me til I figure it out, now.*whaps Master Yoda*
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jan 28, 2007 11:50:56 GMT -5
Gilraen had parents and they are known
Dírhael Ivorwen
Gilraen
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Post by lasseg on Jan 28, 2007 23:39:32 GMT -5
Gilraen had parents and they are known Dírhael + Ivorwen = Gilraen Yeah, I found that. I just can't find where either of them was an elf. |
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jan 30, 2007 5:38:23 GMT -5
Dírhael
Noble grandfather of Aragorn
One of the Dúnedain of the North, a descendant of Aranarth the first Chieftain. His daughter was Gilraen, whose hand was sought by Arathorn, at that time heir to Chieftain Arador. Dírhael at first opposed the marriage, but his wife Ivorwen persuaded him to allow it. Just two years later, Dírhael's grandson was born: Aragorn, who would one day rule the Reunited Kingdom of the Dúnedain.
Ivorwen
Grandmother of Aragorn Elessar
The wife of Dírhael of the Dúnedain, and mother to Gilraen. When Arathorn son of Arador sought Gilraen's hand in marriage, Dírhael opposed him. Ivorwen, though, who was said to have the gift of foresight, persuaded her husband to allow the marriage. This was a small part to play in the history of Middle-earth, but it had great consequences - the son of Arathorn and Gilraen was Aragorn, who would one day reunite the ancient Kingdoms of the Dúnedain.
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Post by lasseg on Jan 30, 2007 11:24:41 GMT -5
Still don't see any elves....
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Post by Melda on Jan 30, 2007 11:51:48 GMT -5
But if Aragorn was part elf he wouldn't be a man...*blinks*. It's like if he was half elf Arwen wouldn't have had to choose a mortal life because both of them could choose immortal lives and be all happy.
Aragorn rules the kingdom of men, the blood of Isildur runs in his veins, and Isildur was most definitely man, mainly exampled in his succumbing to the Ring.
Aragorn was a Dunedan, and they were blessed with long life because (I think this is right, I haven't read the Sil in a long time), their line was descended from Elros, the brother of Elrond. Elros and Elrond had a choice to be mortal or immortal, Elros chose to be mortal and his descendent's were blessed with long life and were kings of Numenor (where Isildur came from). So I think it'd make sense, since Aragorn is a descendant of Isildur that he be all man...
Then of course the more obvious way to look at it is that the only elf-man marriages ever mentioned were: Luthien and Beren of course, Tuor and Idril, and Aragorn and Arwen ;D.
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Post by Haldir on Jan 30, 2007 11:53:25 GMT -5
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Post by lasseg on Jan 30, 2007 15:18:20 GMT -5
But if Aragorn was part elf he wouldn't be a man...*blinks*. It's like if he was half elf Arwen wouldn't have had to choose a mortal life because both of them could choose immortal lives and be all happy. Aragorn is only part elven in that he's descended from Elrond's brother, Elros, who while choosing mortality, still had elven blood, even though he chose to be mortal, which is where the longevity of the Dunedan and Numenorian lines comes from. So, while at this point, the bloodline is extremely diluted, it's still there. |
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jan 30, 2007 16:29:11 GMT -5
couldnt be bothered to read the books....was busy |
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